Thursday, 10 December 2009
Trafford Heritage Society wishes you a Merry Christmas
Monday, 19 October 2009
Save 85 Broad Road, Sale!
Friday, 4 September 2009
Watling Gate: Calling all campaigners!
Heritage Open Day
Saturday 12th September 200910am to 5pm
The Parish Church of St. Paul, Springfield Road, Sale, Cheshire M33 7YA will be throwing open its doors on Saturday 12th September 2009, 10am to 5pm, as part of the National Heritage Open Day.
For further information, please telephone 0161-969-2795 or visit
http://web.me.com/rhadwen/Stpauls/heritageopenday.html
http://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/directory/HOD007635E
Wednesday, 2 September 2009
A scandalous betrayal of trust by Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council !
We now publish the Will of Lt Col Charles Newton who gave his house and land to the people of Altrincham.
“I give to the Urban District Council of Altrincham in the County of Chester (hereinafter called the Council) all of my dwelling house and residence known as Watling Gate, Timperley together with the land forming the site.
I declare that the Council shall hold the said plots of land hereinbefore given to the Council upon trust for the perpetual use thereof by the public for the purposes of a park or pleasure grounds and for the purpose of exercise and recreation.
I further declare that the Council shall hold the said dwelling house upon trust to use the same or permit the same to be used for any civic purpose such as a branch library and a welfare centre and that part of my house may, if the Council so desires, be used as an official residence for one or more of the Council’s employees and the said dwelling house shall not be sold, let or occupied, by a private individual or private individuals."
The Last Will of Charles Newton of Watling Gate, Timperley on the 23rd July 1936.
Tuesday, 1 September 2009
The art of demolition by neglect !
Lieutenant Colonel Newton, a resident of Timperley, gave his house, complete with works of art, and other collectables, and a substantial amount of land, to the people of his community. His bequest placed a moral obligation on the local council to use the property for the purpose of arts or leisure. The house, called Watling Gate, is a Listed Building, and during the time it has been under the supposed protection of Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council, the art collection has been lost and the building has deteriorated to such a degree that it is no longer safe.
The Campaign Team has received a number of e-mails from Trafford councillors, not one of whom will accept any responsibility for the deplorable state of this fine house, not one of them is offering to find a solution to a problem of their own making. Several have blamed the ‘other party’ for the parlous condition of Watling Gate.
This affair is a gross insult to the memory of a generous benefactor of our community, and the only culprits are the members of the Council, who temper inactivity with inter-party squabbling and incompetence. It is not surprising that the Campaign Team have found on the doorsteps of the Borough, complete dissatisfaction with the performance of the Council, and absolute disenchantment with the main political parties.
One wonders whether the response in the community will be reflected in the next local elections.
The Campaign Team posted a film on the blogspot yesterday concerning Watling Gate which includes an interview with a lady who lives close by.
Watling Gate
Monday, 31 August 2009
Save Our Heritage Campaign!
Whilst we have been working on the Save the Sale Hotel campaign, it has come to our attention that there are several other buildings in desperate need of our help. One of these is the building known as Watling Gate, which is in Timperley.The house was built in 1904 as the residence of the Newton Family at a cost of £2,500 and was surrounded by approximately 25 acres of park land. Most of the land was sold for housing development in the 1920s, with only the house and a small plot of land retained in the family. Lt. Col. CE Newton bequeathed the house and land to the newly created Altrincham Borough Council in around 1937. The house is a listed building and was in use until 2006 but since then appears to have had little or no maintenance and this listed building would seem to have been left to fall apart. The council wishes to sell the building, contrary to the wishes of the Lt. Col Newton. Residents have raised concerns with the council but to no avail to date. We need your help to urge the council to retain Watling Gate for the local people and to maintain the building adequately.
Please contact the following local councillors:
Jane Brophy 07711 454 566
Matthew Colledge 0161 980 1792
matthew.colledge@trafford.gov.uk
Neil Taylor 07734 598073 or
0161 980 6522
neil.taylor@trafford.gov.uk
Many thanks once again for your support in protecting our local heritage!
Friday, 28 August 2009
Meeting
At four o’clock today, Friday, 28.08.09, the Campaign Team met with councillors of Trafford Council, representatives of Sale Civic Society, The Friends of Walkden Gardens, local residents and Paul Goggins MP.The discussions ranged over the prospects for a viable future for the old building, post-listing, the record of the local authority in protecting existing listed buildings in the borough, and the Save the Sale Hotel ‘story so far.’
The Campaign Team was able to find out some of the points of the discussion which were raised at the earlier meeting with the developers and from which the Campaign Team had been excluded.
One of the prospects raised at this meeting resonated with earlier suggestions by leaders of the campaign, that the Sale Hotel should become an educational facility, possibly an annexe of Sale Grammar School. This seems to have several advantages over its use as a commercial business. Firstly, it would therefore be in the public sector and immune to some degree from having to turn a profit. Secondly, its use for the purpose of education would tend to preclude very late hours and consequently would tend to be more acceptable to near neighbours. Thirdly, the ceiling heights of the building would lend its use to the performing arts. Fourthly, it would provide a more economical and more carbon friendly alternative to bussing students from the Sale Grammar site to Claremont Road, as is presently the case.
The Campaign Team drew to everyone’s attention to the fact that the Sale Hotel has not been maintained recently and that there were some slates missing from the roof. Fears were expressed that the building would rapidly deteriorate if rain water was able to penetrate the fabric of the building. There was some discussion about whether the owner could be legally compelled to make repairs, but the view was expressed that effectively it was not possible. The Campaign Team made mention that Trafford MBC actually owned a number of listed buildings which were in an extremely poor state of repair. One of the members the Campaign Team pointed out to the councillors present at the meeting that Trafford MBC would look very silly if they attempted to criticise the owner of the Sale Hotel for failing to make small repairs, if the Council were unwilling to address their own responsibilities in this regard.
The mobile telephone installation, which made use of the tower of the Sale Hotel has been decommissioned. There was a suggestion that planning permission had been sought of Trafford Council to lay new mobile telephone facilities to the car park of the Sale Hotel, possibly implying that the site would still operate mobile telephone communications.
The Campaign Team raised the question why Trafford MBC had not appointed a Heritage Champion, consistent with the practice of many other local councils.
The Campaign Team raised important questions of principle about the near demolition of the Sale Hotel. Why had the Heritage Protection Bill been withdrawn from the forthcoming parliamentary session ? Paul Goggins offered to pursue this with the Secretary of State for CMS. Why had Trafford MBC failed to inform many of those interested parties in the borough that a notice to demolish the building had been received. None of the groups and societies, for example, Sale Civic Society had been informed. Few residents had been informed. The councillors representing Trafford MBC at this meeting were unable to say why there had been a lack of consultation.
Thursday, 27 August 2009
The Grade 2 Listing
The Campaign Team received an e-mail from English Heritage, this afternoon, 27.08.09, stating the revised recommendation that the Sale Hotel be designated a Grade 2 Listed Building. The recommendation acknowledges the strength of local support for the old building. The Campaign Team wishes to thank Paul Goggins MP for his support in getting us this far and Victoria Frankland for her support with Facebook. But although we can claim victory in this round, there is still a long way to go in securing the future of the Sale Hotel. The overwhelming support we have received from local businesses and residents of Sale and Sale Moor will be crucial in establishing a viably economic future for the building. But let's take a short breather and enjoy this moment!
Tuesday, 25 August 2009
Listen to our campaign story so far!
Whilst there is currently a building protection notice in force, the building has yet to be formally listed and so there is only temporary protection at present. To preserve the building it will need to become a listed building and this decision lies in the hands of the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. You can help by urging the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to list THE WHOLE OF the building without any further delay.
Email: http://www.blogger.com/enquiries@culture.gov.uk
Phone: 0207 211 6200
Friday, 21 August 2009
‘Development; a misused word’, by Urban Critic of Sale
Recent posts raise some interesting questions about developers and development. Generally, the word ‘develop’ carries the meaning of ‘improvement.’ ‘To develop’ means something like ‘to improve’. And yet the activity of those who have ‘developed’ urban sites, particularly in Sale, in recent times, have been anything but improvements. The Campaigners who trudged around the area collecting signatures for the Paper Petition, found that a frequent complaint against Trafford Council was precisely this; that the Council had permitted the demolition of an old building, and the Planning Department had subsequently approved its replacement by worse
. It’s almost as if Trafford Planning Department and the Committee of Councillors who are supposed to direct the officials, are incapable of recognising what is attractive. The ‘development’ opposite Sale Station was frequently cited by signatories of the petition as an ‘eyesore.’ The best thing one could say about it is that it’s a bit ‘Soviet’. To make matters worse, it does not appear to have been constructed with a view to maintaining an attractive exterior. 

Thursday, 20 August 2009
Still no new news on the Listing
Wednesday, 19 August 2009
Paul Goggins response to our update from yesterday
The purpose was not to negotiate any secret deals but to gain a better understanding of the new challenges and opportunities that will present themselves once the Listing has taken place. We found the developers to be constructive in their approach - but they now have the task of giving the Sale Hotel a new purpose.
Given the fact that the original house has been added to and extended over the years they were keen to get a better understanding of what is non negotiable in terms of demolition and what may be possible. Clearly the old house and the tower must stay as well as any other parts of the building covered by the Listing.
There is no intention of excluding members of the public from discussions about the future of the Sale Hotel. The developer did not want to engage in public dialogue at this stage as there are no specific proposals under consideration and the formal Listing has not yet been made. In hindsight – and given the constructive nature of yesterday’s discussions – if the developers had been in agreement there would not in my view have been any difficulty in extending an invitation to members of the campaign group and it was good that George Cogswell joined us at the end.
Any decisions taken will need to reflect the formal Listing decision which is not yet made. And any planning application will be subject to full public consultation.
We have established a good team spirit in responding to the urgent need to protect the Sale Hotel and we have succeeded in stopping the bulldozers. But we all now have a responsibility to make sure that the building and the site can be put to good use rather than be left derelict and subject to vandalism. Living accommodation is one possibility but there may be other potential uses and it is important that all options are considered. One thing which is absolutely ruled out by the terms of the sale agreement entered in to by the developers is the use of the property as a pub or nightclub.
Given that two weeks ago none of us even knew the developers, yesterday’s discussion was a first step in trying to find a way forward that suits everyone. They made it clear that as proposals emerge they will be happy to meet and consult. In any future meetings we will make sure that representatives of the group are present and able to participate fully in the discussion.
Pending the formal decision to List we have achieved the first part of our campaign to save the Sale Hotel – congratulations again to all those who have given time to the campaign and to those who signed the petition. The second part is to find a future use for the building which is affordable and suitable. That is a task that everyone will have a say in.
Paul"
Tuesday, 18 August 2009
We weren't invited to the meeting!!!

The Campaign Team is alarmed that a meeting took place late this afternoon, 18.08.09, at the site of the Sale Hotel, which included the developers, employees of Trafford MBC, local councillors, and the Member of Parliament for Wythenshawe and Sale East, Paul Goggins, BUT NO MEMBERS OF THE CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THE SALE HOTEL.
By chance, George Cogswell, of the Campaign Team, was passing by and was able to report a few observations, including the identity of those present.
There was discussion about the demolition of part of the Sale Hotel, by the developers.
No member of this meeting has been willing to disclose the content of the meeting, and no-one has given an explanation why the Campaign Team was not invited.
The Campaign Team is already disappointed with the performance of the Council on a number of points.
The Campaign Team was supported by 1500 signatories of the paper petition, 1700 members of the Facebook, Save the Sale Hotel group, and nearly 800 signatories of the 10 Downing Street petition.
The Campaign Team wishes it to be known that the inefficiency and lack of public consultation very nearly caused the demolition of the Sale Hotel and it is not apparent that there has been any change in Trafford Council's policy as a result. The Campaign Team invites all those supporters of ‘Save the Sale Hotel’ to register immediately dissatisfaction with the continuing mismanagement of this important matter.
Saturday, 15 August 2009
Tell Us Your Story!
Many people have fond memories of the Sale Hotel. Here's your chance to share your stories and pictures - just mail us your memories to memories.of.the.sale.hotel@googlemail.com.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Update!
We've distributed updates to the following shops, firstly to thank everyone who signed the paper petition – such amazing support within a week, secondly to urge people to contact the Department of Culture, Media and Sport and finally to ask people to sign the online petition, which currently has over 620 signatures - thank you to everyone who has signed the petitions. If you haven't already signed the electronic one, there's still a couple of days left to do so.
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SavetheSaleHotel/
The following shops are displaying the update and contact details:
Sale Moor
Cafe Moorish, Sale Moor
Heskeths Butchers, Sale Moor
Hugalls Chemist, Sale Moor
Pick N Pay, Sale Moor
Taylors Butchers, Sale Moor
Trios Cafe, Sale Moor
Wayne’s Fruit and Veg, Sale Moor
Marsland Road
Cartridge World, Marsland Road
Rooneys newsagents and deli, Marsland Road
North Parade shops
Mai’s pharmacy, North Parade
Sale centre
The Fish Plaice, Fishmonger, Claremont Road
Jacks DIY, Hope Road, Sale
Tuesday, 11 August 2009
Contact the Department of Culture, Media and Sport!
Email: enquiries@culture.gov.uk
Phone: 0207 211 6200
Friday, 7 August 2009
Important meeting cancelled.
A meeting requested by Paul Goggins MP with Campaign Leaders and the owner/developer and scheduled for 27.08.09, has been cancelled today by the developer. The Save the Sale Hotel Campaign Leaders are very disappointed by this move because they genuinely wish to involve local residents and stakeholders in the future of the building. This meeting would have given everyone the opportunity to discuss the prospects for the site.
Campaign Leaders have been unable to make contact with the owner/developer, despite several attempts. It is regarded as unhelpful that nothing has been disclosed about the owner/developer’s original intentions for the site of the building, or his plans now that the Sale Hotel has acquired legal protection. The cancellation of this meeting is thought to be even more detrimental to real attempts of progress by the Campaign Team.
The Messenger is running a poll following yesterday's decision to issue a Building Protection Notice.
Sale Hotel to be saved
"THE MP for Sale East has hailed the news that the Sale Hotel is to be saved, as a victory for local people.
Earlier this week Paul Goggins submitted a 1,500 name petition to the Secretary of State at the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS), urging him to overturn an earlier decision not to list the landmark building..."
Please show your support to protect the building.
Thursday, 6 August 2009
We have a preservation order!
Together we have made a difference.
In order to get this building listed, we need to ensure English Heritage is aware of the amount of local support for this building. We are grateful to the 66 people who have already written to English Heritage in support of the Sale Hotel. To anyone who has not already done so and would like to continue to support our campaign, we would be so grateful if you would contact English Heritage on 0161 424 1400 or by email: northwest@english-heritage.org.uk
If you haven't signed the 10 Downing Street Petition yet please do it now:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SavetheSaleHotel/
Pine Antiques to rip out all the old pine that's left.
Workmen from Pine Antiques of Poynton, Cheshire were removing items from the Sale Hotel this morning. Members of our Campaign Team saw wooden coving, dating from the early history of the building being removed and stacked in the back of a van.Please contact Trafford Council and demand that they issue a Building Preservation Notice immediately.
Telephone: 0161 912 3149
Wednesday, 5 August 2009
Introducing! The company who will demolish our building...
For any inquiries:
Cheshire Demolition
72 Moss Lane
Macclesfield, SK11 7TT
Tel: 01625 424433
Please don't forget contact Trafford Council and demand that they issue a Building Preservation Notice immediately.
Telephone: 0161 912 3149
A company called Cheshire Demolition are erecting security barriers around the Sale Hotel!
Are the Council not prepared to take any steps to protect this building at least until the DCMS has made a final decision on the question of listing of the building?
Please contact Trafford Council and demand that they issue a Building Preservation Notice immediately.
Telephone: 0161 912 3149
Tuesday, 4 August 2009
We need your help!
Dear Friends,
By now you will be aware that the demolition of the Sale Hotel is imminent. The Campaign Team has made reasonable efforts to consult with the developers, but there is no evidence that they have been taken seriously. The response by Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council, who have the legal power to stop the demolition, has been one of inactivity and apathy.
We know we have the community on our side; in seven days, more than 1500 people signed the paper petition. The online petition, started only yesterday, has more than 250 signatories.
We are now calling for volunteers to come forward and help distribute leaflets and undertake other lightweight communication roles, because so far, we have managed with very few activists. In order to keep the community informed, we need more help.
If you are willing to assist with some of this work, and make a real contribution to the cause, please send an e-mail to
friends.of.sale.hotel@googlemail.com
Thank you,
Workmen dug a hole to cut off the power to the Sale Hotel!

Workmen dug a hole at the Sale Hotel today, to cut off the power to the building. It can be only a short while before the demolition begins. If you haven't signed the 10 Downing Street Petition yet please do it now:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SavetheSaleHotel/
And please contact Trafford Council and demand that they issue a Building Preservation Notice immediately.
Thanks.
Planning and Building Control
Trafford Council
PO Box 96
Waterside House
Sale
Greater Manchester
M33 7ZF
Email: development.control@trafford.gov.uk
Telephone: 0161 912 3149
Fax: 0161 912 3128
Monday, 3 August 2009
Sign the online petition!

Olivia's Email:
Hi all,
Some of you know will know of the Sale Hotel but some might not. If you don't, have a look at http://www.salehotel.blogspot.com/
The pub went downhill in the last couple of years and closed quite recently and was sold to a guy who wants to demolish the building. We are trying to get Trafford Council to preserve the building as it is a key part of the history of Sale and was part of Sale Botanical Gardens which originally surrounded the area. It is seeming to be quite a difficult job.
Please could you sign this online petition that will go straight to the Prime Minister, we have until the 17th August. If you have signed the paper one too that doesn't matter as its going to a different person, and if you know of anyone that also could sign please forward this email.
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SavetheSaleHotel/
Sorry if you have already received this message on facebook.
Thank you!!
Olivia
Thank you Sale and Sale Moor!

In just 7 days we have obtained 1510 signatures for our petition...and there are still a couple of forms to come in. Thank you so much for your overwhelming support. We are also grateful to all the shops who kindly allowed us to place the petition forms with them over the past week. We have taken the petition to Paul Goggins, MP, who will pass this onto Ben Bradshaw, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. Mr Bradshaw has the power to choose to make the Sale Hotel a listed building and it is this that the petition asks him to do. We hope he will listen to the views of our community.
We only had a week to collect signatures for the petition because we only have 28 days to appeal against the decision not to list the Sale Hotel as a protected building. But to get this amount of signatures in such a short time is a strong indication of our local public opinion.
Thursday, 30 July 2009
Conservation area
We are trying to get the Sale Hotel and surrounding area to be designated as a conservation area. You can help us do this by contacting Trafford council to urge them to grant this:
conservation.planning@trafford.gov.uk
Telephone: 0161 912 3149
You may also have seen the excellent article in this week’s Sale and Altrincham Messenger about the campaign on page 5 (Link).
Thanks to all of you who are supporting us.
Monday, 27 July 2009
Petitions!

We have distributed petitions to the following shops:
Sale Moor
Cafe Moorish, Sale Moor
Heskeths Butchers, Sale Moor
Hugalls Chemist, Sale Moor
Pick N Pay, Sale Moor
Taylors Butchers, Sale Moor
Trios Cafe, Sale Moor
Wayne’s Fruit and Veg, Sale Moor
Marsland Road
Caffécinos sandwich bar, Marsland Road
Cartridge World, Marsland Road
Rooneys newsagents and deli, Marsland Road
Yooneek take away, Marsland Road
North Parade shops
Mai’s pharmacy, North Parade
Sale centre
The Fish Plaice, Fishmonger, Claremont Road
Thank you so much to all the above outlets for their generous support.
We are very pleased to announce that we have over 200 signatures already!
If you have not already signed our petition, please go along to one of the above outlets to sign. Please also ask your friends and family to do likewise.
We will be collecting the petitions in on Saturday to take to Ben Bradshaw, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, so please make sure you have signed before Saturday!
Sunday, 26 July 2009
Busy day!
Saturday, 25 July 2009
Wednesday, 22 July 2009
Meeting about demolition plans

There was a meeting with various interested parties about the proposed demolition of the Sale Hotel. We are grateful for the support of all concerned, especially Paul Goggins MP and councillors Jane Baugh, Barry Brotherton, Pamela Dixon and David Higgins, along with other concerned local people. We will work together to try to ensure some protection for our historic building.
Monday, 13 July 2009
The Secretary of State has agreed with English Heritage’s recommendation not to list the Sale Hotel!
Today is a very sad day, not only for the people in Sale, it is a sad day for all people in this country as we have been informed by English Heritage that the Sale Hotel will not become a listed building (http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/). The main concern I have is that valued historic buildings are not being protected.
Generations to come will perhaps never have the pleasure of seeing a local building like the Sale Hotel, with character and flair, and will get used to buildings which look more like boxes.
Do we really want this?
We all can understand that there are particular rules and procedures that the English Heritage needs to follow to make sure that they only secure buildings which are important to preserve.
But my question is how can we protect buildings like the Sale Hotel if they can't become listed buildings?
We need to keep being vigilant and protect the interesting buildings that remain to make sure we do not lose any more.
As for the Sale Hotel please make your feelings known to the council in order to persuade the owner to keep the shell of the building intact.
Thank you for your support.
The Councillors for this area are:
Mrs Kathy Bullock
kathy.bullock@trafford.gov.uk
Mrs Pamela Dixon
pamela.dixon@trafford.gov.uk
Mr David Higgins
david.higgins@trafford.gov.uk
The contact for English Heritage is:
Tel: 0161 242 1400
Fax:0161 242 1401
northwest@english-heritage.org.uk
The MP for the area is Mr Paul Goggins:
Tel: 0161 499 7900
gogginsp@parliament.uk
Sunday, 12 July 2009
Letter from Mr. Paul Goggins, MP.
Last week we sent an email to Mr. Paul Goggins, the MP for Wythenshawe and Sale East (http://www.paulgoggins.org/). In this we told him about our concerns about this building and what it means to us. He replied very promptly. Just a few days later (Saturday) we received this answer from him:
"I have been contacted by other constituents about this site and last week I wrote to the Chief Executive of Trafford Council..."
Let us all hope that the letter to the Chief Executive of Trafford Council make a difference. We are grateful for Mr. Goggins' support.
Although we would like to have made more progress at this point, at least we make some progress and your help can make a difference!
Friday, 10 July 2009
New Leaflets comming soon...
This Building is a part of Sale and lot of us connect happy memories with it. I think it is time to stand up and make a change how the interest of the people is handled!
Yesterday I was walking in Sale town centre and heard several people speaking about the proposal to destroy the building. I hope that this information will now go around Sale and that people will contact the English heritage (http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/), our local MP and Councillor.
Please do contact MPs and councillors; don’t forget we voted for them, not the other way round. I am sure they are happy to help if we let them know our concerns and what is important to us. We all have a say in democracy if we want to.
A personal thanks goes to all the shop owners, who were so kind to display the leaflets in the shop windows.
